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Joskus on hyvä katsoa muutama vuosi taaksekin päin ja katsoa miten silloin kirjoitettiin? Mielenkiintoisia artikkeleita ennen Kööpenhaminan kokousta:

http://www.katterno.fi/assets/Publikati ... 2009FI.pdf

Mm.NASA:n Hansenin kirjoittelusta (s.32):

"Huomionarvoista on myös, että James Hansenin
aiempi johtaja NASA:ssa, John S. Theon
kritisoi Hansenia viime talvena siitä, että tämä
”rikkoi NASA:n virallista ilmastoennusteiden
toimintapolitiikkaa vastaan”. Ilmaston
lämpenemisestä ei ole riittävästi tietoa, jotta
siitä olisi voinut esittää varoituksia, kuten
Hansen on tehnyt."

Eipä ole Hansen juuri muuttunut.

Forbes Cites James Hansen's "Former Boss" To Cast Doubt On Allegations of Scientific Interference During Bush Admin

Forbes Column: Hansen's "Former Boss" John S. Theon "Took Issue With The Interference Charge." From the Forbes.com op-ed:


In a Jan. 29, 2006, New York Times interview Hansen charged that NASA public relations people had pressured him to allow them to review future public lectures, papers and postings on the GISS website. Yet in January 15, 2009 testimony before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works-Minority Committee, his former boss John S. Theon, retired chief of NASA's Climate Processes Research Program, took issue with the interference charge, stating: "Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind's effect on it). Hansen has embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claim of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress." [Forbes.com, 7/19/11]

But Theon Wasn't Even At NASA During Bush Administration
Theon Retired From NASA In 1995. According to an email posted by Marc Morano, then-Communications Director for Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), Theon said: "I worked with Hansen from about 1983 to 1994 during which time he was at GISS in NYC and I was at NASA HQ in Washington DC. I retired from NASA in 1995." [ClimateRealists.com, 2/5/09]

Theon Was Not Hansen's "Boss." Theon told Sen. Inhofe in a January 2009 letter: "Yes, one could say that I was, in effect, Hansen's supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results." Theon added: "I did not have the authority to give him his annual performance evaluation." [The Inhofe EPW Press Blog, 1/27/09]
•Hansen: "John Theon Never Had Any Supervisory Authority Over Me." In an email to blogger M.J. Murphy, Hansen wrote: "John Theon never had any supervisory authority over me. I remember that he was in the bureaucracy at NASA Headquarters, but I cannot recall having any interactions with him. His claim of association is misleading, to say the least." [Bigcitylib.blogspot.com, 2/5/09]
•NASA's Schmidt: "He Was Not Hansen's 'Boss.'" In a comment on RealClimate.org, NASA scientist Gavin Schmidt wrote: "Dr. Theon appears to have retired from NASA in 1994, some 15 years ago. Until yesterday I had never heard of him (despite working with and for NASA for the last 13 years). His insights into both modelling and publicity appear to date from then, rather than any recent events. He was not Hansen's 'boss' (the director of GISS reports to the director of GSFC [Goddard Space FlightCenter], who reports to the NASA Administrator)." [RealClimate.org, 1/28/09]

Hansen's Statement Was Backed Up By Colleagues Who Were Actually At NASA During The Bush Administration. From the January 29, 2006, New York Times report:


In one call, George Deutsch, a recently appointed public affairs officer at NASA headquarters, rejected a request from a producer at National Public Radio to interview Dr. Hansen, said Leslie McCarthy, a public affairs officer responsible for the Goddard Institute.

Citing handwritten notes taken during the conversation, Ms. McCarthy said Mr. Deutsch called N.P.R. "the most liberal" media outlet in the country. She said that in that call and others, Mr. Deutsch said his job was "to make the president look good" and that as a White House appointee that might be Mr. Deutsch's priority.

But she added: "I'm a career civil servant and Jim Hansen is a scientist. That's not our job. That's not our mission. The inference was that Hansen was disloyal."

Normally, Ms. McCarthy would not be free to describe such conversations to the news media, but she agreed to an interview after Mr. Acosta, at NASA headquarters, told The Times that she would not face any retribution for doing so.

Mr. Acosta, Mr. Deutsch's supervisor, said that when Mr. Deutsch was asked about the conversations, he flatly denied saying anything of the sort. Mr. Deutsch referred all interview requests to Mr. Acosta.

Ms. McCarthy, when told of the response, said: "Why am I going to go out of my way to make this up and back up Jim Hansen? I don't have a dog in this race. And what does Hansen have to gain?"

Mr. Acosta said that for the moment he had no way of judging who was telling the truth. Several colleagues of both Ms. McCarthy and Dr. Hansen said Ms. McCarthy's statements were consistent with what she told them when the conversations occurred. [New York Times, 1/29/06]

NASA Inspector General Confirmed That Public Affairs Office "Reduced, Marginalized, Or Mischaracterized Climate Change Science Made Available To The General Public." From the June 2008 NASA Inspector General report discussing the results of an investigation which "included reviewing over 10,000 pages of documents and congressional testimony, as well as the forensic examination of six Agency computers used by NASA employees":


Our investigation found that during the fall of 2004 through early 2006, the NASA Headquarters Office of Public Affairs managed the topic of climate change in a manner that reduced, marginalized, or mischaracterized climate change science made available to the general public through those particular media over which the Office of Public Affairs had control (i.e., news releases and media access).

[...]

The supporting evidence detailed in this report reveals that climate change scientists and the majority of career Public Affairs Officers strongly believe that the alleged actions taken by senior NASA Headquarters Public Affairs officials intended to systemically portray NASA in a light most favorable to Administration policies at the expense of reporting unfiltered research results. [NASA Office of Inspector General, 6/2/08]

....research results. [NASA Office of Inspector General, 6/2/08]

Okei, vähän turhan pitkä paste mutta ei tuota oikein voinut lyhentääkään. Lihavoinnit minun.

Ei tuollaista vanhaa propagandaa kannata enää tänne vetää.

" Tiedämme planeetan imevän enemmän energiaa kuin sitä säteilee ulos, kuvailee tutkija James E. Hansen Nasasta"

Tämä on aika kummallinen väite. Pidemmällä aikavälillä tuleva ja lähtevä säteily ovat kyllä tasapainossa.

Eihän tässä mitään kummaa ole.

" Tiedämme planeetan imevän enemmän energiaa kuin sitä säteilee ulos, kuvailee tutkija James E. Hansen Nasasta"

Tämä on aika kummallinen väite. Pidemmällä aikavälillä tuleva ja lähtevä säteily ovat kyllä tasapainossa.

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Jos hiuksia alateaan halkomaan, jokaisen planeetan säteilyteho on suurempi kuin sen auringosta saama teho, johtuen esim. radioaktiivisten aineiden spontaanisesta hajoamisesta (joka perimmiltään on esim. vulkanismin takana) tai kaasuplaneettojen tapauksessa kokoonpuristumisesta.

Toki lämmön johtavuus maan sulasta magmasta maanpinnalle mantereen kohdalla on varsin olematon, mutta mikä on tilanne valtamerten kohdalla, jossa maanpinta on paljon ohuempi ?

Tulivuorien osuus ilmakehään ja meriin siirtyvästä kaikesta geotermisestä energiasta on tällä hetkellä keskimäärin luokkaa 2 % (yhteensä 800 GW).

Jos hiuksia alateaan halkomaan, jokaisen planeetan säteilyteho on suurempi kuin sen auringosta saama teho, johtuen esim. radioaktiivisten aineiden spontaanisesta hajoamisesta (joka perimmiltään on esim. vulkanismin takana) tai kaasuplaneettojen tapauksessa kokoonpuristumisesta.