Tässä eräitä ajatuksiani aiheeseen liittyen; Sarmastin kirjasta, Platonin alkuperäisteksti linkkinä sekä muita tietoja koottu Tiede foorumin aikaisimmista viesteistä:
Paradise: (Merriam-Webster)
Middle English paradis, from Old French, from Late Latin paradisus,
from Greek paradeisos, literally, enclosed park,
of Iranian origin; akin to Avestan _pairi-daeza-
enclosure; akin to Greek peri (around) and to Greek teichos (wall)
Tähän Paratiisi / Eeden myttyiin ovat sekoittuneet ainakin neljä eri paikkaa. Kaikkia käsitellään U-kirjassa:
- Dilmun Persianlahdessa
- Van:in maa, myöhemmin Urartu.
- Ensimmäinen Eeden Apsussa (Välimeressä, Atlantis)
- Toinen Eeden Mesopotamiassa
- Gilgamesh eepoksessa monet näistä paikoista tulevat esille
K. Tallqvist kirjoittaa kirjassaan ”History of Assyria” että Assur (joka oli Mardukin nimi Assyriassa) syntyi Apsussa: ”sa ina apsu ismuhu kattus”
Tässä eräs ote R. Sarmastin kirjasta, sen alkuperäiseltä luonnoksesta (hän on tutkinut useita satoja aiheeseen liittyviä kirjoja):
OUR JOURNEY TO THE ANCIENT WORLD BEGINS WITH AN ANALYSIS OF SOME OF OUR PLANET’S OLDEST RELIGIONS, WHICH EVIDENTLY ORIGINATED IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF MESOPOTAMIA. AS WE LATER MOVE FORWARD AND EXPLORE THE MYTHOLOGY OF RELATIVELY MODERN CIVILIZATIONS SUCH AS THOSE OF GREECE, EGYPT AND ROME, THE MYTHOLOGICAL CHARACTERS WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY FAMILIAR TO THE READER. MOST PEOPLE HAVE HEARD OF ISIS, OSIRIS, ADONIS AND APHRODITE, BUT FEW KNOW THAT THE MYTHOLOGICAL ICONS OF MESOPOTAMIA ARE OFTEN MORE ENIGMATIC THAN THEIR OFFSHOOTS IN LATER SOCIETIES. SURPRISINGLY, THE ANCIENT GODS OF MESOPOTAMIA ARE FAR MORE SOPHISTICATED IN MANY ASPECTS THAN THEIR SUCCESSORS IN LATER CULTURES, AND THE RELIGIONS THAT REVOLVED AROUND THEM IN THE FERTILE CRESCENT ARE OFTEN TRULY SUPERIOR.
Of all the colorful characters in the Mesopotamian pantheon, few gods of the ancient world have intrigued modern researchers as much as Father Enki, the Sumerian god of wisdom and justice. Also known in Akkadian as Ea, Enki is usually depicted seated on a throne while streams of water pour down from his shoulders, hence his epithet, the “water god” (or “God of the Sea”). Although his name is actually a title that means “lord of the earth,” this heroic figure is much more than a temporal ruler; he is also credited with teaching the art of civilization to mankind.
Samuel Noah Kramer and John Maier, Myths of Enki, the Crafty God (New York/Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1989), 189.
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Tässä eräs oma vanha kirjoitukseni:
There has been interest in finding the place of the first Eden for a long time, and many books have been written about it. The Ubook isn’t the only source which mentions the eastern end of the Mediterranean. Already Assyrian sources seem to give a place in the Mediterranean, eg “the islands in the midst of the sea (apsu)” are mentioned. For a long time I have had in my mind to start a preliminary literature investigation about the subject, and I would be willing to start such a project if serious financial support for such a project could be found. It isn’t just a matter of scuba diving, but all kind of geological and topological maps should be investigated together with other modern methods of marine archaeology. I’m also quite sure that Plato’s old myths about Atlantis refer to the same place.
K. Tallqvist kirjoittaa kirjassaan ”History of Assyria” että Assur (joka oli Mardukin nimi Assyriassa) syntyi Apsussa: ”sa ina apsu ismuhu kattus”
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Tässä kirjoitan Iranilaisesta paratiisi-sanan alkuperästä skepsiksen sivuilla vuonna 1999:
Diodor of Sicily also mentions Atlantis:
".. the Atlanteans, dwelling as they do in the regions on the edge of the ocean and inhabiting a fertile territory… Their first king was Uranus, and he gathered the human beings, who dwelt in scattered habitations, within the shelter of a walled city…" (the origin of the word Paradise, was of Iranian origin, meaning an enclosure to a park "PairidaAeza").
http://keskustelu.skepsis.fi/html/Kesku ... tiID=22539
Päiväys: 04.12.1999
Ja toki Robert Sarmast tuntee oman maansakin historiaa hyvin.
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Hieman tietoja historioitsijasta Diodor of Sicily (latinaksi DIODORUS SICULUS). Kun olen käynyt Kyproksella jo pari kertaa aikaisemmin, huomasin että Diodorus Siculus nimi esiintyi kaikkein vanhemmissa Kyproksen kartoissa. Diodorus paikkaa osittain niitä tietoja Atlantikseta, jotka puutuvat Platonila:
17 For Greek text see Diodor of Sicily, 1.27.4; the translation is by M. GUSTAFSON, "The Isis Hymn of Diodorus of Sicily (1.27.3)", Prayer from Alexander to Constantine, 155-158.
http://12.1911encyclopedia.org/D/DI/DIO ... ICULUS.htm
DIODORUS SICULUS, Greek historian, born at Agyrium in Sicily, lived in the times of Julius Caesar and Augustus. From his own statements we learn that he travelled in Egypt between 60...57 B.C. and that he spent several years in Rome. The latest event mentioned by him belongs to the year 21 B.C. He asserts that he devoted thirty years to the composition of his history, and that he undertook frequent and dangerous journeys in prosecution of his historical researches.
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Hieman tietoja historioitsijasta Diodor of Sicily (latinaksi DIODORUS SICULUS). Kun olen käynyt Kyproksella jo pari kertaa aikaisemmin, huomasin että Diodorus Siculus nimi esiintyi kaikkein vanhemmissa Kyproksen kartoissa. Diodorus paikkaa osittain niitä tietoja Atlantikseta, jotka puutuvat Platonila:
17 For Greek text see Diodor of Sicily, 1.27.4; the translation is by M. GUSTAFSON, "The Isis Hymn of Diodorus of Sicily (1.27.3)", Prayer from Alexander to Constantine, 155-158.
http://12.1911encyclopedia.org/D/DI/DIO ... ICULUS.htm
DIODORUS SICULUS, Greek historian, born at Agyrium in Sicily, lived in the times of Julius Caesar and Augustus. From his own statements we learn that he travelled in Egypt between 60...57 B.C. and that he spent several years in Rome. The latest event mentioned by him belongs to the year 21 B.C. He asserts that he devoted thirty years to the composition of his history, and that he undertook frequent and dangerous journeys in prosecution of his historical researches.
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Tästä löytyy hieman tietoja aikaisemmista käynnistäni Kyproksella:
http://www.squarecircles.com/articles/a ... /20-21.pdf
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Olen käynyt Theralla ja Kreetalla monta kertaa. Thiran (Santorini) vulkaani räjähti noin 1620 BC. Tämä aiheutti ilmeisesti hyökyaallon jossa Knossoksen Miinoalainen satamakaupunki ja muutkin maat Kreetalla menivät viljelyskelvottomiksi suolavedestä. Joten Miinolalaisen kulttuuriin loppuun Thiran vulkaanin räjähdys melko varmasti vaikutti. Mutta tämä on aivan liian nuori tapahtuma liittyäkseen Atlantis myytteihin.
Ja niin moni muu seikka viittaa Kyproksen läheisyyteen. Lista evidensseitä on itse asia HYVIN pitkä! Ja U-kirja selvittä näitä asioita vielä yksityiskohtaisemmin, historian, geologian, morfologian, Välimeren kehityksen ja pohjamuodostelmien, merielämän ja biologian ynnä lukuisten muitten seikkojen suhteen. Koko Välimeren kehitys kautta Maapallon olemassaolon aikana on itse asiassa U-kirjassa selostettu. Ja niistäkin tiedoista voidaan verifioida suuri osa.
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Tämä juttuni rupeaa olemaan jo vanhentunut, mutta siinä viitataan kuitenkin siihen, että Itäisen Välimeren pohja on vajonnut alas mannerlaattojen törmäyksessä, kuten U-kirja kertoo:
Evidence for Northward Thrusting South-West of the Rhodes Basin Jongsma, D.; Mascle, J. Free Univ., Inst. Earth Sci., 1007 MC Amsterdam, Netherlands NATURE VOL. 293, NO. 5827 ppp. 49-51 Publ. Yr. 1981 Avail: SUMMARY LANGUAGE - ENGLISH In ENGLISH
Models of convergence between the major African and European plates involve a stretching Aegean plate, whose present motion relative to Africa is south-west. This motion has resulted in subduction of eastern Mediterranean sea floor as shown by seismicity, volcanism and morphology. The southern boundary of the Aegean plate is formed by the Hellenic Trench. Intensive study, culminating in the use of submersibles and multibeam echo-sounding as part of the Hellenic Arc and Trench Program, has outlined the complexity of this boundary. Detailed reflection profiling which we carried out in autumn 1980 of the eastern portion of the Hellenic Trench system shows arcward verging thrusting south-west of the Rhodes Basin. It is concluded that collision of the African continental margin with the Hellenic Arc is now in progress, causing overriding by the Mediterranean Ridge along the southeastern branch of the Hellenic Trench system.
Urantia Page-826: After the first garden was vacated by Adam, it was occupied variously by the Nodites, Cutites, and the Suntites. It later became the dwelling place of the northern Nodites who opposed co-operation with the Adamites. The peninsula had been overrun by these lower-grade Nodites for almost four thousand years after Adam left the Garden when, in connection with the violent activity of the surrounding volcanoes and the submergence of the Sicilian land bridge to Africa, the eastern floor of the Mediterranean Sea sank, carrying down beneath the waters the whole of the Edenic peninsula. Concomitant with this vast submergence the coast line of the eastern Mediterranean was greatly elevated. And this was the end of the most beautiful natural creation that Urantia has ever harbored. The sinking was not sudden, several hundred years being required completely to submerge the entire peninsula.
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Gades ja Eumelus, sijaitsivat muuten Kyproksen pohjoispuolella.
”Of the second pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon.”,
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html
To his twin brother, who was born after him, and obtained as his lot the extremity of the island towards the Pillars of Heracles, facing the country which is now called the region of Gades in that part of the world, he gave the name which in the Hellenic language is Eumelus, in the language of the country which is named after him, Gadeirus. Of the second pair of twins he called one Ampheres, and the other Evaemon. To the elder of the third pair of twins he gave the name Mneseus, and Autochthon to the one who followed him. Of the fourth pair of twins he called the elder Elasippus, and the younger Mestor. And of the fifth pair he gave to the elder the name of Azaes, and to the younger that of Diaprepes. All these and their descendants for many generations were the inhabitants and rulers of divers islands in the open sea; and also, as has been already said, they held sway in our direction over the country within the Pillars as far as Egypt and Tyrrhenia. ….
-* The rest of the Dialogue of Critias has been lost.
Critias By Plato Written 360 B.C.E Translated by Benjamin Jowett
Persons of the Dialogue
CRITIAS
HERMOCRATES
TIMAEUS
SOCRATES
”It was never intended that the Garden should be the permanent home of the Adamites.”
SIVU.827 - §1 Emme voi pitää puutarhan häviämistä mitenkään
jumalallisten suunnitelmien epäonnistumisen tai Aatamin ja Eevan
tekemien virheiden seurauksena. Emme pidä Eedenin vajoamista muuna
kuin luonnollisena tapahtumana, mutta meistä näyttää kylläkin siltä,
että puutarhan vajoaminen ajoitettiin tapahtuvaksi suunnilleen siihen
aikaan, kun violetin rodun reservit kokoontuivat ryhtyäkseen maailman
kansojen kuntoonsaattamistyöhön.
SIVU.827 - §3 Melkisedekien Aatamille antamat ohjeet edellyttivät,
että hänen oli määrä perustaa rotu-, manner- ja hallintopiirikohtaisia
päämajoja, joita hänen omat poikansa ja tyttärensä johtaisivat
samalla, kun hän ja Eeva jakaisivat aikansa näiden maailman eri
pääkaupunkien kesken tähän biologiseen kohentamiseen, älylliseen
edistämiseen ja moraaliseen kuntouttamiseen tähtäävän
maailmanlaajuisen toiminnan neuvonantajina ja koordinoijina.
SIVU.827 - §4 [Esittänyt Solonia, "Puutarhan Ääni" -serafi.]
(Solon oli muuten tämä henkilö, johon Platon viittasi, jolla nämä alkuperäiset Atlantistarinat oli ollut, ja joka oli niitä saanut Egyptiläisiltä papeilta.)
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