KESKUSTELU

Ei mitään rotia tarkoittaa "ei mitään järkeä". Sopii joskus keskusteluun sanojen merkityksestä. Tulee germaanisanasta råd (neuvo). Sanotaan myös onko neuvoa tarkoittaen tietoa.

Kuten Grönlannin nykyeskimot eivät näytä periytyvän Grönlantia 3000 vuotta sitten asuttaneesta väestä, en usko nykysuomalaisten geeneissä olevan paljoakaan täällä yli 3000 vuotta sitten asuneen väestön geenejä. Liian paljon on ehtinyt tapahtua.

No ei nyt sentään ”lähes olemattomiin”. Arkeologit korostavat sitä, että joka vaiheessa tulokkaita on ollut vähemmän kuin alkuperäisempää väestöä.

[Olisi mielenkiintoista selvittää Ukon / Taaran esiintyminen..

Olisiko Tarapita kulkeutunut tosiaan Lemminkäisen mukana Belgian kautta Briteille, jotka puhuiva samantapaista kuin eestit ? Jokatapauksessa luulen, että Bysantin aikoihin Kaleva ja sen pojatkin olivat olleet jo kauan sitten kuolleita ja kuopattuja. Tarina eli pitkään ja näistä Kalevan pojista syntyi heimoja. Kuka Väinämöisiä, kuka Ilmarisia.. Olivat levittäytyneet Itä-meren ympäristöön.. IMS -sanoakseni.. Mutta yhteistä näille oli se, etteivät olleet unohtaneet punaverkkaisuutta yhteisenä tunnuksenaan..

Recent digs in Bilsk, Ukraine, have uncovered a vast city identified by the Kharkov archaeologist Boris Shramko as the Scythian capital Gelonus [1]. It is strategically situated on the exact boundary between the steppe and forest-steppe.

According to Herodotus each side of Gelonus is thirty stades long, the area in today's units would be about 30 square kilometres. The archeological site around Belsk, including necropolis, comprises about 80 km², and the fortifications enclose some 40 km². The north-south axis, along the river Worksla is 17 km long. The remains of walls up to 12 metres are visible today and stretch over the horizon. The total length of the ramparts is 33 km. Inside the fortification, lay three "keeps", 150,000 m², 650,000 m², and 720,000 m² in area, surrounded by eroded earth walls still up to 16 metres high. Several kurgans reminded the inhabitants of the ancient Scythian burial tradition.

Troy, another lost and found city, was 1000 times smaller by area.

Herodotus mentioned the Agathyrsi together with another tribe, the Geloni. The Agathyrsi refused to join a fight against Persians unless directly provoked, which highlighted the autonomy and voluntary association of the members of the Scythian confederation.[citation needed]

Herodotus records the name of Spargapeithes, a King of the Agathyrsi. He also reported that Greeks viewed Agathyrsi, Gelons, and Scythians as brothers. They are described by Herodotus as of luxurious habits, wearing many gold ornaments (the district is still auriferous) and having many wives (Herod. 4. 104). Herodotus recorded the Pontic Greek myth that the Agathyrsi were named after a legendary ancestor Agathyrsus, an oldest son of Hercules and the monster Echidna (Herod. 4. 8-11).

They tattooed their bodies, degrees of rank being indicated by the manner in which this was done, and colored their hair dark blue. Like the Gallic Druids, they recited their laws in a kind of sing-song to prevent their being forgotten, a practice still in existence in the days of Aristotle.

The Roman geographer Pomponius Mela (2,i) and the historian Pliny the Elder, writing in the first century AD, also list the Agathyrsi among the steppe tribes. Pliny alludes to their "blue hair."[2]

In later times, the Agathyrsi were driven farther north. The 2nd century geographer Claudius Ptolemy lists the Agathyrsi among tribes in 'European Sarmatia', between the Vistula and the Black Sea[3]

Ca. 380 AD, Ammianus Marcellinus in Res Gestae Ch. 22, 8 writes that beyond the Palus Maeotis together with Geloni live Agathyrsi, among whom there is an abundance of adamantine stones.[4] Further, he writes that over the border from Geloni are Agathyrsi, who tattoo their bodies and dye their hair blue, the common people with a few small, but the nobles with many large marks (Amm. 31, 2, 1-11)[5]Ammianus also describes the Alanian empire that the Alans cobbled together before the end of the 2nd century, and that by repeated victories the Alans incorporated under their own national name the Geloni, Agathyrsi, Melanchlaeni, Anthropophagi, Amazons, and Seres[citation needed].

Servius on Aenid 4.v.146 relates that probably closer to 300 AD the Agathyrsi sent across a sea a contingent to Scotland, where it became identified with Picts, who were formidable warriors and seriously fatigued all who stood against them.[6] The sixteenth century British chronicler Raphael Holinshed also mentioned the Agathyrsi origin of the Picts and their tradition of painting their bodies blue.