USA:n ja Syyrian neuvottelut

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Amerikkalaiset ovat ottaneet lusikan kauniiseen käteen ja suostuneet neuvottelemaan Syyrian kanssa ulkoministeritasolla:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/ ... index.html

Rice meets with Syrian foreign minister
POSTED: 11:03 a.m. EDT, May 3, 2007

SHARM EL-SHEIK, Egypt (AP) -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice met Syria's foreign minister Thursday in the first high-level talks between the two countries in years.

The meeting came hours after the chief U.S. military spokesman in Iraq said Syria had moved to reduce "the flow of foreign fighters" across its border.

The Bush administration has shunned Syria, which it considers a state supporter of terrorism, and last month President Bush assailed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for making a trip to Damascus, saying it sent mixed messages to the Syrian government.

But the White House has been under pressure to talk with Syria and Iran, another U.S. opponent in the region.

Still, a substantive U.S.-Iran meeting appeared less certain. The Iraqi government is pressing for Rice and her Iranian counterpart to hold talks during the gathering, saying Washington's conflict with the government in Tehran is only fueling the instability in Iraq.

In Baghdad, U.S. Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said Syria had tightened its borders and reduced the number of foreign insurgents crossing into Iraq -- a chief demand of the United States.

"There has been some movement by the Syrians. ... There has been a reduction in the flow of foreign fighters into Iraq" for more than a month, Caldwell said.

Rice and Syrian Foreign Minister Waleed Moallem met on the sidelines of Thursday's conference. Earlier, a senior State Department official said they would discuss "Iraqi security issues." The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was still being arranged.

Both the United States and Iran had also spoken favorably of a possible meeting, but the chances for that remained unclear.
'Pleasantries' with Iran's foreign minister

Rice and the Iranian foreign minister "exchanged pleasantries" over lunch, the Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit said. "They said hello, that's about it," said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

Iraq and the United States hope Thursday and Friday's conference of nearly 50 nations at this Egyptian Red Sea resort will rally international support -- particularly from Arab nations -- for an ambitious plan to stabilize Iraq.

Iraq is pressing for forgiveness of debt and for Arabs to take greater action to prevent foreign fighters from joining the Iraqi insurgency. Arab countries, in turn, demand Iraq's government ensure greater participation by Sunni Arabs in the country's political process, echoing the United States.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki opened the conference by urging all countries to forgive his country's enormous foreign debts -- estimated at about $50 billion. Another $100 billion has already been written off by the Paris Club of lender nations. (Watch what has paralyzed Iraq's government Video)

But Saudi Arabia's foreign minister, Saud al-Faisal, told the conference only that his country "has expressed its readiness to alleviate some of the debts on Iraq" and was currently in discussions with Iraqi officials to deal with the issue "in line with the regulations and bases of the Paris Club."

Iraqi and U.S. officials had said Saudi Arabia privately had already committed to forgiving 80 percent of Iraq's $17 billion debt.

Al-Faisal, addressing the conference, renewed a Saudi offer of $1 billion in loans to Iraq, on the condition that the money be distributed equally among "Iraq's geographical sectors."

Al-Maliki pledged to institute reforms to boost Sunni participation but said forgiving Iraq's debts was the only way the country could rebuild.

Rice's meeting with Moallem marked the first such high-level talks since the February 2005 assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Syria denies it had anything to do with the killing, but U.S. and European officials have since shunned the Damascus government.

Iraq and many Arab countries have been particularly eager, even desperate, for such talks between the United States and its Mideast opponents -- saying they are only the way to stabilize Iraq and lessen Iran's growing influence in the region.

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Toope
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Viestejä23157
Liittynyt23.7.2006

Mikä tämän avauksen pointti siis on?

"Siirtolaisuuden hyväksyminen kehitysmaista oli pahin virhe, jonka länsimaat tekivät Toisen Maailmansodan jälkeen." - Toope

Peili olisi se keksintö, jota arabialainen ja islamilainen maailma tarvitsisi. He voisivat sen kautta nähdä syyllisen siihen, miksi omat yhteiskunnat eivät toimi.

http://tinyurl.com/jbs6kqp

Vierailija

Itsekin kannatan neuvottelua tällä erää. Sitten kun Irak on paketissa voidaan ottaa Syyria ja varsinkin Iran uudelleen tähtäimeen. Jos Syyriaa ei millään saada liekaan, on syytä lahjoittaa Israelille kasa täsmäpommeja ja ohjuksia.

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Syria

The Syrian Government continued to provide political and material support to both Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups. HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLFP), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), among others, base their external leadership in Damascus. The Syrian Government insists that the Damascus-based groups undertake only political and informational activities. However, in statements originating from outside Syria, many Palestinian groups claimed responsibility for anti-Israeli terrorist acts. Syria's public support for the groups varied, depending on its national interests and international pressure. In 2003, these groups lowered their public profile after Damascus announced that they had voluntarily closed their offices in Syria. In September, however, Syrian President Bashar al-Asad held a highly publicized meeting with rejectionist leaders, and a month later the rejectionist leaders participated in a meeting in Damascus with the Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Gholam Ali Haddad Adel. Syria continued to permit Iran to use Damascus as a transshipment point to resupply Hizballah in Lebanon.

Syrian officials publicly condemned international terrorism, but made a distinction between terrorism and what they considered to be "legitimate armed resistance" by Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and by Lebanese Hizballah. The Syrian Government has not been implicated directly in an act of terrorism since 1986, although preliminary findings of a UN investigation into the February assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri have indicated a strong likelihood of official Syrian involvement.

During the past seven years there have been no acts of terrorism against American citizens in Syria. Damascus has repeatedly assured the United States that it will take every possible measure to protect U.S. citizens and facilities in Syria.

In the past, Damascus cooperated with the United States and other foreign governments against al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations and individuals. In May, however, the Syrian Government ended intelligence cooperation, citing continued U.S. public complaints about the inadequate level of Syria's assistance to end the flow of fighters and money to Iraq.

Syria made efforts to limit the movement of foreign fighters into Iraq. It upgraded physical security conditions on the border and announced that it has begun to give closer scrutiny to military-age Arab males entering Syria (visas are still not required for citizens of Arab countries). The government claimed that since 2003 it has repatriated more than 1,200 foreign extremists and arrested more than 4,000 Syrians trying to go to Iraq to fight.

In the last six months of 2005, Damascus highlighted clashes on Syrian territory with terrorist groups, particularly with the Jund a-Sham group associated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in its government-controlled press information.

US StateDep

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Vierailija
Toope
Mikä tämän avauksen pointti siis on?

Se, että pässinpäätkin voivat oppia ja tarpeeksi kauan päätä seinään lyötyään ottaa järjen käteensä.

Toope
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Viestejä23157
Liittynyt23.7.2006

Jos Syyria saadaan lopettamaan esim. Hizbollahin varustaminen neuvotteluteitse, on se tietenkin hyvä asia. Syyrian painostaminen H:n tuen lopettamiseen varmasti onnistuu myös aseellisesti, mutta neuvottelut ovat ehkä kaikille mukavampi tie.

"Siirtolaisuuden hyväksyminen kehitysmaista oli pahin virhe, jonka länsimaat tekivät Toisen Maailmansodan jälkeen." - Toope

Peili olisi se keksintö, jota arabialainen ja islamilainen maailma tarvitsisi. He voisivat sen kautta nähdä syyllisen siihen, miksi omat yhteiskunnat eivät toimi.

http://tinyurl.com/jbs6kqp

Vierailija

Syyria on ollut jo jonkin aikaa USA:n ja Israelin pääkohde, ihme ettei sinne ole hyökätty.

Syyria saatiin vetäytymään Libanonista ja luopumaan aluevaatimuksistaan sinne, seuraava askel on napanuoran katkaiseminen Libanonin Hizzpollaheihin ja Golanin kukkuloiden valtauksen tunnustaminen.
Eli rauhansopimus Israelin kanssa, Syyria onkin ainoa valtio joka ei ole rauhansopimukseen vielä taipunut Israelin naapureista.
Tosin en ole ihan varma, onko virallisesti Israelin ja Libanon välillä vielä sotatila ...

Syyrian mahdollisuudet toimia Israelia vastaan on menneet, kun Irak kaatui ja sen tuki katosi, Iran ei pysty riittävästi tukemaan ilman maayhteyttä.

Egypti ja Jordania on jo allekirjoittaneet rauhansopimukset Israelin kanssa, nyt Syyria joutuu tunnustamaan tosiasiat tai sen hallitus kaadetaan, se on pakotettu vetäytymään Libanonista ja nyt se pakotetaan kai vielä luopumaan Golanin kukkuloista ...

Vierailija
Imagine
Itsekin kannatan neuvottelua tällä erää. Sitten kun Irak on paketissa voidaan ottaa Syyria ja varsinkin Iran uudelleen tähtäimeen. Jos Syyriaa ei millään saada liekaan, on syytä lahjoittaa Israelille kasa täsmäpommeja ja ohjuksia.

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Syria

The Syrian Government continued to provide political and material support to both Hizballah and Palestinian terrorist groups. HAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PLFP), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC), among others, base their external leadership in Damascus. The Syrian Government insists that the Damascus-based groups undertake only political and informational activities. However, in statements originating from outside Syria, many Palestinian groups claimed responsibility for anti-Israeli terrorist acts. Syria's public support for the groups varied, depending on its national interests and international pressure. In 2003, these groups lowered their public profile after Damascus announced that they had voluntarily closed their offices in Syria. In September, however, Syrian President Bashar al-Asad held a highly publicized meeting with rejectionist leaders, and a month later the rejectionist leaders participated in a meeting in Damascus with the Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Gholam Ali Haddad Adel. Syria continued to permit Iran to use Damascus as a transshipment point to resupply Hizballah in Lebanon.

Syrian officials publicly condemned international terrorism, but made a distinction between terrorism and what they considered to be "legitimate armed resistance" by Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and by Lebanese Hizballah. The Syrian Government has not been implicated directly in an act of terrorism since 1986, although preliminary findings of a UN investigation into the February assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri have indicated a strong likelihood of official Syrian involvement.

During the past seven years there have been no acts of terrorism against American citizens in Syria. Damascus has repeatedly assured the United States that it will take every possible measure to protect U.S. citizens and facilities in Syria.

In the past, Damascus cooperated with the United States and other foreign governments against al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations and individuals. In May, however, the Syrian Government ended intelligence cooperation, citing continued U.S. public complaints about the inadequate level of Syria's assistance to end the flow of fighters and money to Iraq.

Syria made efforts to limit the movement of foreign fighters into Iraq. It upgraded physical security conditions on the border and announced that it has begun to give closer scrutiny to military-age Arab males entering Syria (visas are still not required for citizens of Arab countries). The government claimed that since 2003 it has repatriated more than 1,200 foreign extremists and arrested more than 4,000 Syrians trying to go to Iraq to fight.

In the last six months of 2005, Damascus highlighted clashes on Syrian territory with terrorist groups, particularly with the Jund a-Sham group associated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in its government-controlled press information.

US StateDep

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Ja kuvittelet Iranin tai/ja Syyrian noin sinisilmäiseksi?

Toope
Seuraa 
Viestejä23157
Liittynyt23.7.2006
Lapin Mies
Syyria on ollut jo jonkin aikaa USA:n ja Israelin pääkohde, ihme ettei sinne ole hyökätty.

Syyria saatiin vetäytymään Libanonista ja luopumaan aluevaatimuksistaan sinne, seuraava askel on napanuoran katkaiseminen Libanonin Hizzpollaheihin ja Golanin kukkuloiden valtauksen tunnustaminen.
Eli rauhansopimus Israelin kanssa, Syyria onkin ainoa valtio joka ei ole rauhansopimukseen vielä taipunut Israelin naapureista.
Tosin en ole ihan varma, onko virallisesti Israelin ja Libanon välillä vielä sotatila ...

Syyrian mahdollisuudet toimia Israelia vastaan on menneet, kun Irak kaatui ja sen tuki katosi, Iran ei pysty riittävästi tukemaan ilman maayhteyttä.

Egypti ja Jordania on jo allekirjoittaneet rauhansopimukset Israelin kanssa, nyt Syyria joutuu tunnustamaan tosiasiat tai sen hallitus kaadetaan, se on pakotettu vetäytymään Libanonista ja nyt se pakotetaan kai vielä luopumaan Golanin kukkuloista ...

Syyria varmasti voidaan pakottaa tekemään rauha Israelin kanssa, ehkä näin pitäisikin tehdä. Israelissakin kuitenkin tajutaan, että Golan kuuluu Syyrialle.

Toivottavasti syyrialaisetkin tajuavat, etteivät he voi palauttaa samoja asemiaan Golanille, mitä heillä oli 1967. Demilitarisoitu Golan ei välttämättä ole ylitsepääsemätön ongelma Israelin ja Syyrian välillä. Sotimalla Syyria ei kuitenkaan Golania saa takaisin, ainoastaan rauhalla.

"Siirtolaisuuden hyväksyminen kehitysmaista oli pahin virhe, jonka länsimaat tekivät Toisen Maailmansodan jälkeen." - Toope

Peili olisi se keksintö, jota arabialainen ja islamilainen maailma tarvitsisi. He voisivat sen kautta nähdä syyllisen siihen, miksi omat yhteiskunnat eivät toimi.

http://tinyurl.com/jbs6kqp

Vierailija
Toope
Lapin Mies
Syyria on ollut jo jonkin aikaa USA:n ja Israelin pääkohde, ihme ettei sinne ole hyökätty.

Syyria saatiin vetäytymään Libanonista ja luopumaan aluevaatimuksistaan sinne, seuraava askel on napanuoran katkaiseminen Libanonin Hizzpollaheihin ja Golanin kukkuloiden valtauksen tunnustaminen.
Eli rauhansopimus Israelin kanssa, Syyria onkin ainoa valtio joka ei ole rauhansopimukseen vielä taipunut Israelin naapureista.
Tosin en ole ihan varma, onko virallisesti Israelin ja Libanon välillä vielä sotatila ...

Syyrian mahdollisuudet toimia Israelia vastaan on menneet, kun Irak kaatui ja sen tuki katosi, Iran ei pysty riittävästi tukemaan ilman maayhteyttä.

Egypti ja Jordania on jo allekirjoittaneet rauhansopimukset Israelin kanssa, nyt Syyria joutuu tunnustamaan tosiasiat tai sen hallitus kaadetaan, se on pakotettu vetäytymään Libanonista ja nyt se pakotetaan kai vielä luopumaan Golanin kukkuloista ...




Syyria varmasti voidaan pakottaa tekemään rauha Israelin kanssa, ehkä näin pitäisikin tehdä. Israelissakin kuitenkin tajutaan, että Golan kuuluu Syyrialle.

Toivottavasti syyrialaisetkin tajuavat, etteivät he voi palauttaa samoja asemiaan Golanille, mitä heillä oli 1967. Demilitarisoitu Golan ei välttämättä ole ylitsepääsemätön ongelma Israelin ja Syyrian välillä. Sotimalla Syyria ei kuitenkaan Golania saa takaisin, ainoastaan rauhalla.

Epäilen vahvasti, ettei Syyria saa Golania takaisin ja se on myös sen tajunnut ja mikäli se ei taivu rauhaan, niin joutuu sotaan mukaan ...
Eli Syyrian kannalta on jäljellä, vain huonoja vaihtoehtoja.

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