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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_hidden_variable_theory

Tuossa muuten on avattu myös kuinka globaalin mitan piilomuuttuja mahdollistaa lomittumisen paikallisuuden ilman ei-lokaaleja vaikutuksia.

Etäisyyspariteetti/vastakkaisvaiheisuus on tuollainen muuttuja. Ks. erityisesti: Bell tests with no "non-detections".

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

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Kosmologia pimeine aineineen, mustine aukkoineen ja pimeine energioineen sekä arvausmassoineen ovat tehneet sen yleiselle suhteellisuusteorialle.

Katohan ettei tule jopa kuoliota kun ko kivet hankaa kengässsäsi noin pahasti.

Hankaumat ovat ilmiselvästi ongelmasi.

Onko pimeä aine ja pimeä energia vapaita parametreja vai ei? Osaatko vastata hankaumiltasi?

Onko mustan aukon tapahtumahorisontti todennettu?

Nuo kaikki voivat olla oikean suuntaisia arvioita, mutta ennen kiistattomia todennuksia ne ovat vain jonkin tason valistuneisuuteen perustuvia veikkauksia, joilta tosin Hubblen parametrin nykyarvon ristiriitainen mittaus on jo vienyt melkoisesti vakuuttavuutta.

Mittaamalla edetään. Voit toki kipeine jalkoinesi siirtyä seuraavaan mielen tarjoamaan pakopaikkaan.
Mittiloiden.

"Light from ancient quasars helps confirm quantum entanglement

Last February, the MIT team and their colleagues significantly constrained the freedom-of-choice loophole, by using 600-year-old starlight to decide what properties of two entangled photons to measure. Their experiment proved that, if a classical mechanism caused the correlations they observed, it would have to have been set in motion more than 600 years ago, before the stars' light was first emitted and long before the actual experiment was even conceived.

Now, in a paper published today in Physical Review Letters, the same team has vastly extended the case for quantum entanglement and further restricted the options for the freedom-of-choice loophole. The researchers used distant quasars, one of which emitted its light 7.8 billion years ago and the other 12.2 billion years ago, to determine the measurements to be made on pairs of entangled photons. They found correlations among more than 30,000 pairs of photons, to a degree that far exceeded the limit that Bell originally calculated for a classically based mechanism.

"If some conspiracy is happening to simulate quantum mechanics by a mechanism that is actually classical, that mechanism would have had to begin its operations—somehow knowing exactly when, where, and how this experiment was going to be done—at least 7.8 billion years ago. That seems incredibly implausible, so we have very strong evidence that quantum mechanics is the right explanation," says co-author Alan Guth, the Victor F. Weisskopf Professor of Physics at MIT.

"The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, so any alternative mechanism—different from quantum mechanics—that might have produced our results by exploiting this loophole would've had to be in place long before even there was a planet Earth, let alone an MIT," adds David Kaiser, the Germeshausen Professor of the History of Science and professor of physics at MIT. "So we've pushed any alternative explanations back to very early in cosmic history."

Guth and Kaiser's co-authors include Anton Zeilinger and members of his group at the Austrian Academy of Sciences and the University of Vienna, as well as physicists at Harvey Mudd College and the University of California at San Diego."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-08-ancient-quasars-quantum-entanglement.html#jCp .

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Eusa
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On myös luonnollinen selitys. Kvanttimekaniikka kuvaa oikein tilastollisuutta ja mittaus voi valikoitua kummasta tahansa kvanttitilavaiheesta - avaruusajan etäisyyspariteetti säilyttää lomittuneen hiukkasen aina vastakkaisvaiheisena ja suhteessa mittausvaiheeseen se on sitten vääjäämättä se toinen. Mittaus on osa fysikaalista jatkumoa, jossa etäisyyspariteetilla on merkitystä.

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

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"Scientists unveil the first-ever image of quantum entanglement

For the first time ever, physicists have managed to take a photo of a strong form of quantum entanglement called Bell entanglement—capturing visual evidence of an elusive phenomenon which a baffled Albert Einstein once called 'spooky action at a distance'.

Two particles which interact with each other—like two photons passing through a beam splitter, for example—can sometimes remain connected, instantaneously sharing their physical states no matter how great the distance which separates them. This connection is known as quantum entanglement, and it underpins the field of quantum mechanics.

Einstein thought quantum mechanics was 'spooky' because of the instantaneousness of the apparent remote interaction between two entangled particles, which seemed incompatible with elements of his special theory of relativity.

Later, Sir John Bell formalised this concept of nonlocal interaction describing a strong form of entanglement exhibiting this spookiness. Today, while Bell entanglement is being harnessed in practical applications like quantum computing and cryptography, it has never been captured in a single image.

In a paper published today in the journal Science Advances, a team of physicists from the University of Glasgow describe how they have made Einstein's spookiness visible in an image for the first time."

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-scientists-unveil-first-ever-image-quantum... .

Eusa
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"Scientists unveil the first-ever image of quantum entanglement

For the first time ever, physicists have managed to take a photo of a strong form of quantum entanglement called Bell entanglement—capturing visual evidence of an elusive phenomenon which a baffled Albert Einstein once called 'spooky action at a distance'.

Two particles which interact with each other—like two photons passing through a beam splitter, for example—can sometimes remain connected, instantaneously sharing their physical states no matter how great the distance which separates them. This connection is known as quantum entanglement, and it underpins the field of quantum mechanics.

Einstein thought quantum mechanics was 'spooky' because of the instantaneousness of the apparent remote interaction between two entangled particles, which seemed incompatible with elements of his special theory of relativity.

Later, Sir John Bell formalised this concept of nonlocal interaction describing a strong form of entanglement exhibiting this spookiness. Today, while Bell entanglement is being harnessed in practical applications like quantum computing and cryptography, it has never been captured in a single image.

In a paper published today in the journal Science Advances, a team of physicists from the University of Glasgow describe how they have made Einstein's spookiness visible in an image for the first time."

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-scientists-unveil-first-ever-image-quantum... .


https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/7/eaaw2563.full.pdf

The resulting edge-enhanced image of the circle is a result of the nonlocal interference between the object and the spatial filter probed by the two-photon wave function. However, simply obtaining an edge-enhanced image in these circumstances is not in itself a proof of the nonlocal character of the two photons’ behavior in that it can potentially be reproduced by classical means as in the context of ghost imaging (24). One can nonetheless produce images that cannot be reproduced by classical means through the demonstration of the violation of a Bell inequality.

Tässähän ei siis tapahtunut mitään uutta todennusta - varsinkaan ei-lokaalista tiedonsiirrosta, jota taidat haikailla. Bellin epäyhtälön rikkoutuminenhan tarkoittaa ainoastaan sitä, ettei kvanttitilojen logiikkaan sovellu samat vapausasteet kuin klassiseen mekaniikkaan.

Globaali vastakkaisuuden säilyttävä vaiheisuus on "lopulta jäljelle jäänyt oikea vaihtoehto, vaikka uskomattomalta tuntuisikin, kun muut ratkaisut ovat ristiriitaisia." Globaalia rakennetta voi toki pitää ei-lokaalina, koska kyse ei ole tiedonsiirrosta vaan rytmityksestä ja etäisyyspariteetista.

100% todennuksistahan on osoittanut, että energia tai informaatio siirtyy lopulta vain enintään valonnopeudella.

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

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Mittiloiden.

"Quantum entanglement in chemical reactions? Now there's a way to find out

The study, published on Friday (Aug. 2) in Science Advances, generalizes a popular theorem called "Bell's inequality" to identify entanglement in chemical reactions. In addition to theoretical arguments, the researchers also validated the generalized inequality through a quantum simulation.

No one has experimentally shown entanglement in chemical reactions yet because we haven't had a way to measure it. For the first time, we have a practical way to measure it," said Sabre Kais, a professor of chemistry at Purdue. "The question now is, can we use"

entanglement to our advantage to predict and control the outcome of chemical reactions?"

https://phys.org/news/2019-08-quantum-entanglement-chemical-reactions.html .

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_hidden_variable_theory

Tuossa muuten on avattu myös kuinka globaalin mitan piilomuuttuja mahdollistaa lomittumisen paikallisuuden ilman ei-lokaaleja vaikutuksia.

Etäisyyspariteetti/vastakkaisvaiheisuus on tuollainen muuttuja. Ks. erityisesti: Bell tests with no "non-detections".

Älä pistä rahojasi tuohon vetoon.

Miksei laittaisi? Mikään ei kiellä globaalia piilomuuttujaa. Itse asiassa globaali piilomuuttuja on ihan ekvivalentti muiden tulkintojen kanssa.

Eusa
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Viestejä17293

jussipussi kirjoitti:
Mittiloiden.

"Quantum entanglement in chemical reactions? Now there's a way to find out

The study, published on Friday (Aug. 2) in Science Advances, generalizes a popular theorem called "Bell's inequality" to identify entanglement in chemical reactions. In addition to theoretical arguments, the researchers also validated the generalized inequality through a quantum simulation.

No one has experimentally shown entanglement in chemical reactions yet because we haven't had a way to measure it. For the first time, we have a practical way to measure it," said Sabre Kais, a professor of chemistry at Purdue. "The question now is, can we use"

entanglement to our advantage to predict and control the outcome of chemical reactions?"

https://phys.org/news/2019-08-quantum-entanglement-chemical-reactions.html 


Saattaapi olla, että sidoksen lomittuneisuutta ei saada mitattua sitä ainakin jonkin verran häiritsemättä. Jonkinlainen kiikkulauta kahden mittauskohdan välillä voisi todentaa avaruudellisen vaiheisuuden...

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

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Eusa kirjoitti:

100% todennuksistahan on osoittanut, että energia tai informaatio siirtyy lopulta vain enintään valonnopeudella.

Kylllä, mutta jos se on jo "rakenteessa" informaationa josta muodostuu emergenttinä aika-avaruus niin ei tarvita siirtymistä.

jussipussi
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Eusa kirjoitti:
jussipussi kirjoitti:
Mittiloiden.

"Quantum entanglement in chemical reactions? Now there's a way to find out

The study, published on Friday (Aug. 2) in Science Advances, generalizes a popular theorem called "Bell's inequality" to identify entanglement in chemical reactions. In addition to theoretical arguments, the researchers also validated the generalized inequality through a quantum simulation.

No one has experimentally shown entanglement in chemical reactions yet because we haven't had a way to measure it. For the first time, we have a practical way to measure it," said Sabre Kais, a professor of chemistry at Purdue. "The question now is, can we use"

entanglement to our advantage to predict and control the outcome of chemical reactions?"

https://phys.org/news/2019-08-quantum-entanglement-chemical-reactions.html 


Saattaapi olla, että sidoksen lomittuneisuutta ei saada mitattua sitä ainakin jonkin verran häiritsemättä. Jonkinlainen kiikkulauta kahden mittauskohdan välillä voisi todentaa avaruudellisen vaiheisuuden...
Valikoit mittauksia "hyväksytyiksi" sen mukaan miten ne tukee omia kuvitelmiasi.

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Käyttäjä41923 kirjoitti:
jussipussi kirjoitti:
Eusa kirjoitti:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_hidden_variable_theory

Tuossa muuten on avattu myös kuinka globaalin mitan piilomuuttuja mahdollistaa lomittumisen paikallisuuden ilman ei-lokaaleja vaikutuksia.

Etäisyyspariteetti/vastakkaisvaiheisuus on tuollainen muuttuja. Ks. erityisesti: Bell tests with no "non-detections".

Älä pistä rahojasi tuohon vetoon.

Miksei laittaisi? Mikään ei kiellä globaalia piilomuuttujaa. Itse asiassa globaali piilomuuttuja on ihan ekvivalentti muiden tulkintojen kanssa.

"Now, in a paper published today in Physical Review Letters, the same team has vastly extended the case for quantum entanglement and further restricted the options for the freedom-of-choice loophole. The researchers used distant quasars, one of which emitted its light 7.8 billion years ago and the other 12.2 billion years ago, to determine the measurements to be made on pairs of entangled photons. They found correlations among more than 30,000 pairs of photons, to a degree that far exceeded the limit that Bell originally calculated for a classically based mechanism.

"If some conspiracy is happening to simulate quantum mechanics by a mechanism that is actually classical, that mechanism would have had to begin its operations—somehow knowing exactly when, where, and how this experiment was going to be done—at least 7.8 billion years ago. That seems incredibly implausible, so we have very strong evidence that quantum mechanics is the right explanation," says co-author Alan Guth, the Victor F. Weisskopf Professor of Physics at MIT.

"The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, so any alternative mechanism—different from quantum mechanics—that might have produced our results by exploiting this loophole would've had to be in place long before even there was a planet Earth, let alone an MIT," adds David Kaiser, the Germeshausen Professor of the History of Science and professor of physics at MIT. "So we've pushed any alternative explanations back to very early in cosmic history."

Guth and Kaiser's co-authors include Anton Zeilinger and members of his group at the Austrian Academy of Sciences and the University of Vienna, as well as physicists at Harvey Mudd College and the University of California at San Diego."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-08-ancient-quasars-quantum-entanglement.html#jCp .

Eusa
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jussipussi kirjoitti:
Eusa kirjoitti:
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Mittiloiden.

"Quantum entanglement in chemical reactions? Now there's a way to find out

The study, published on Friday (Aug. 2) in Science Advances, generalizes a popular theorem called "Bell's inequality" to identify entanglement in chemical reactions. In addition to theoretical arguments, the researchers also validated the generalized inequality through a quantum simulation.

No one has experimentally shown entanglement in chemical reactions yet because we haven't had a way to measure it. For the first time, we have a practical way to measure it," said Sabre Kais, a professor of chemistry at Purdue. "The question now is, can we use"

entanglement to our advantage to predict and control the outcome of chemical reactions?"

https://phys.org/news/2019-08-quantum-entanglement-chemical-reactions.html 


Saattaapi olla, että sidoksen lomittuneisuutta ei saada mitattua sitä ainakin jonkin verran häiritsemättä. Jonkinlainen kiikkulauta kahden mittauskohdan välillä voisi todentaa avaruudellisen vaiheisuuden...
Valikoit mittauksia "hyväksytyiksi" sen mukaan miten ne tukee omia kuvitelmiasi.

"Kuvitelmani" on viimeisimmän parhaan tiedon mukainen ristiriidaton kuvaus. Kerro mikä tahansa mittaus ja osoitan kuinka se tukee "kuvitelmaani". Ellen pysty osoittamaan, muutan kuvitelmaani.

Toki kaikki havaitsemme sinun valikoinnistasi millaista on magiikan tavoittelu.

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

Eusa
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jussipussi kirjoitti:
Käyttäjä41923 kirjoitti:
jussipussi kirjoitti:
Eusa kirjoitti:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_hidden_variable_theory

Tuossa muuten on avattu myös kuinka globaalin mitan piilomuuttuja mahdollistaa lomittumisen paikallisuuden ilman ei-lokaaleja vaikutuksia.

Etäisyyspariteetti/vastakkaisvaiheisuus on tuollainen muuttuja. Ks. erityisesti: Bell tests with no "non-detections".

Älä pistä rahojasi tuohon vetoon.

Miksei laittaisi? Mikään ei kiellä globaalia piilomuuttujaa. Itse asiassa globaali piilomuuttuja on ihan ekvivalentti muiden tulkintojen kanssa.

"Now, in a paper published today in Physical Review Letters, the same team has vastly extended the case for quantum entanglement and further restricted the options for the freedom-of-choice loophole. The researchers used distant quasars, one of which emitted its light 7.8 billion years ago and the other 12.2 billion years ago, to determine the measurements to be made on pairs of entangled photons. They found correlations among more than 30,000 pairs of photons, to a degree that far exceeded the limit that Bell originally calculated for a classically based mechanism.

"If some conspiracy is happening to simulate quantum mechanics by a mechanism that is actually classical, that mechanism would have had to begin its operations—somehow knowing exactly when, where, and how this experiment was going to be done—at least 7.8 billion years ago. That seems incredibly implausible, so we have very strong evidence that quantum mechanics is the right explanation," says co-author Alan Guth, the Victor F. Weisskopf Professor of Physics at MIT.

"The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, so any alternative mechanism—different from quantum mechanics—that might have produced our results by exploiting this loophole would've had to be in place long before even there was a planet Earth, let alone an MIT," adds David Kaiser, the Germeshausen Professor of the History of Science and professor of physics at MIT. "So we've pushed any alternative explanations back to very early in cosmic history."

Guth and Kaiser's co-authors include Anton Zeilinger and members of his group at the Austrian Academy of Sciences and the University of Vienna, as well as physicists at Harvey Mudd College and the University of California at San Diego."

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-08-ancient-quasars-quantum-entanglement.html#jCp .


Klassinen ja kvanttimekaniikka ovat tietysti osia samasta logiikasta. Aika outoa taivastella ilmeisiä tuloksia - eivät mekaniikat kilpaile keskenään tai ole missään ristiriidassa, niillä on vain eri pätevyysalueet.

On esitettävissä mekaniikka, joka antaa molemmat ja ihan ymmärrettävästi/intuitiivisesti, kunhan ei väkisellä vertaa nisäkkäälle kehittyneeseen käsitykseen.

Hienorakennevakio vapausasteista: (1+2¹+3²+5³+1/2¹*3²/5³)⁻¹ = 137,036⁻¹

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Käyttäjä41923 kirjoitti:
Tässä taas nähdään kuinka paljon jussipussi oikeasti ymmärtää lässyttämästään, nimittäin ei laisinkaan.
Näkeekö se näkymätön kuoro varmasti sen ? Jos siinä onkin joku globaali piilomuuttuja joka tekee sen etteivät näekään?

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