Agricola-Suomen historiaverkon uutisfoorumien otsikot 13.11.

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Agricola-Suomen historiaverkon uutis- ja keskustelufoorumien otsikot 2.11.-13.11.2009

Uutisia historiasta
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* Keräilijä löysi Charlie Chaplinin ennennäkemättömän lyhytelokuvan
* Vuoden arkistoteko 2009 Päivi Hovi-Wasastjernalle ja Berndt von Frenckellille
* Pirjo Markkola menneisyyden hallinnasta Suomen historiassa
* Arkeologien löydös tuo uutta tietoa antiikin Troijasta
* Tummaihoisten korkeakoulutettujen naisten avioliitot vähentyneet Yhdysvalloissa
* Maya-intiaanit soittivat musiikkia temppeleiden avulla
* Punaisen Ristin siemen kylvettiin 150 vuotta sitten
* Maria Stuartin viimeinen kirje esillä
* Etelä-Pohjanmaan maakuntamuseo ja Museovirasto sopivat yhteistyöstä
* Yhdistyneistä Arabiemiirikunnista löytynyt merilehmälle omistettu pyhäkkö
* Holokaustin muistaminen osaksi Ranskan puolustusministeriön virkamiesten koulutusta

http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=3

Uudet historia-aiheiset mediat
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* Väitöskirja suomalaisista kuvataiteilijoista Roomassa 1800-luvulla
* Tuntumaa koneistumisen historiaan: Matin tallissa 148 traktoria
* Die Welt: suomalaiset tekivät natsien kanssa massamurhia
* Ylen nettisivusto vuoden 1989 tapahtumista: 1989... Kun rautaesirippu repesi
* Lähes 6000 suomalaiseen tapettiin voi nyt tutustua verkossa
http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=5

Yleinen keskustelu: puheenvuoroja historiasta
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* Ylikankahan Heikki tuloo taas!
* 1590-luvun kriisi 2000-luvun näkökulmasta
* Varsovan kansannousu 1944
* Itä-Karjala Suomen miehityksen aikana
* Arnstad syyttää Suomea lasten, vanhusten ja sotavankien massamurhista
* Suomi Afganistanissa
* Terrorismin vastainen sota.
* Suomi ja Ruotsi
* Termien finn ja kven uusi tulkinta
* Näytä uusin viesti Talvisota - uutta tietoa vai ei?
http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=10

Kysymyksiä historiasta
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* Parhaat talvisotakirjat?
* Mullistukset suhtautumisissa
* Hyviä venäläisiä sivuja sukututkimukseen?
http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=9

Matkailua historiaan
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* Budapestin lumoa
* Aikamatka keskiaikaan
http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=13

Agricolan kirja-arvostelujulkaisussa 2.11.-13.11.2009 julkaistut arvostelut
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* Eltonen, Tuuli: 007 ja tähtäimessä sukupuoli (Sanna Lehtonen)
* Heikura, Pasi: Aristoteleen kantapää. Fraasirikos ei kannata (Aija Laurila)
* Wendisch, Irja: Me sotilaiden lapset (Anna Tuominen)
* Mortensen, Einar Odd: Turkiskauppiaana intiaanireservaatissa - Karun kiehtova elämäni Pohjois-Kanadan erämaassa 1925-1928 (Pekka Stenlund)

Keskustelua Agricolan kirja-arvosteluista
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http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=2

Historisk Tidskrift för Finland
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* Historisk Tidskrift för Finland 2/2009, innehåll
http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=14

Historiallinen Aikakauskirja
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http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=11

Ennen&Nyt historian tietosanomat
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http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=8

Museolaivat
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http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewforum.php?f=19
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Kommentit (6)

sigfrid
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Mielenkiintoista. Saksalaisten puhdistautuminen miljoonien juutalaisten ja venäläisten murhaamisesta on jo hyvällä alulla; suomalaisia verrataan natseihin, ei saksalaisiin.

Die Welt: suomalaiset tekivät natsien kanssa massamurhia

Takuutestattu suomalainen. Aboriginaali Finlandian asukas.

Blogi: http://terheninenmaa.blogspot.fi

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sigfrid
Mielenkiintoista. Saksalaisten puhdistautuminen miljoonien juutalaisten ja venäläisten murhaamisesta on jo hyvällä alulla; suomalaisia verrataan natseihin, ei saksalaisiin.

Die Welt: suomalaiset tekivät natsien kanssa massamurhia



Ettei mopo karkaa käsistä;

Lutherin näkemykset ihmisistä tunnetaan, eli hän oli Proto-Natsi. M m Suomalaiset ja Venäläiset ovat hänen mukaan "pakanoita", "noitia", "alempiarvoinen kansa joka joutaa joukkotuhota" + + +.

Suomalaiset eivät olleet Lutherilaisia (Natseja), vaan Lutherilaiset (Natsit) tulivat Suomeen ja pakotti Lutherilaisiksi (nyk Ruotsalaisiksi) mikä merkitsi Suomalaisten massamurhaamista, pakottamista sotiin + + +

Ja Natsit (Ruotsalaiset) Suomessa syyllistyi sotaan, terroriin, terrorismiin, väkivaltaan sen kaikissa mahdollisissa muodoissa; Suomalaisten ja Venäläisten massamurhaamiseen.

"Suomalainen" ei historian kirjoissa aina ole Suomalainen, vaan Suomessa asuva Ruotsalainen.

Meillä on kirjaston hyllyt pullollaan kirjoja joissa kuvaillaan kuinka Ruotsalaiset toivat "sivistyksen ja kristinuskon" (=sota, terrori, terrorismi, rasimi, fasismi, väkivalta sen kaikissa mahdollisissa muodoissa) ja kaikki sen jälkeiset mm Suomalaisen ihmisarvoa, kunniaa, omatunota, vakaumusta, oikeuksia (Lakia) loukkaavat käsitykset = Natsismi.

Sodalla, terrorilla, terrorismilla, rasimilla, fasismilla, väkivalllalla sen kaikissa mahdollisissa muodoissa ei ole minkäänlaista tukea Raamatun Laissa joka siihen aikaan oli ja on aina voimassa, eikä Jeesuksen opit niitä myöskään tue. Näin ollen Ruotsalaiset heidän sanat ja teot huomioon ottaen, eivät edustaneet sanoillaan ja teoillaan siihen aikaan voimassa olevaa (Raamatun) Lakia eikä Jeesusta.

Kun kaikki ihmisarvoa, kunniaa, omatunota, vakaumusta, oikeuksia (Lakia) loukkaavat käsitykset poistetaan nykysuomen kielestä, olemme lähellä esi-vanhempiemme ajatusmaailmaa ennen Ruotsalaisten vaikutusvaltaa; Olemme Lakia noudattavia sivistyneitä ihmisiä; Kristillisiä - emme Kristinuskoisia.

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sigfrid
Matilla on oma mopo.

Kun saksalaisartikkelin otsake kirkuu suomalaisten ja natsien yhteistyöstä ja ensimmäinen asiasta esitetty "fakta" on Mannerheimin homous, niin se taas siitä.




Joo ei Suomalainen voi tehdä yhteistyötä Natsin kanssa Suomessa ennenkuin Natsi on Suomessa. Ja silloin on selvitettävä aika milloin Natsismi tuli Suomeen, mikä ei välttämättä merkitse sitä, että se tuli "Natsi -lipun" alla. Natsismia on olemassa kauan ennen Hitleriä (Proto-Natsismi), ja ennenkuin se tuli Suomeen ja toi "sivistyksen ja kristinuskon pakanoille, noidille, alempiarvoisille roduille jotka joutaa joukkotuhota".

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natsi: nazi, na(t)zi, naz(t)i : n.ata.z (In)=(1z)=(1)

nataZ : kielellinen ja ajallinen viite 100 DNA Z
NATAz : syntymä, alkuperä (= §TUVWXY Zt ÅÄÖ)
N=Z + D (alkupeä, on jostakin)

ZAT(AND)TAZ
ZAT(AND)TAN
NAT(AND)TAS

Ajattele; Suomalaista "saatanaa" ei ole olemassa, sillä alkuperäinen nimi on Z:lla, jota ei käytetä Suomen kielessä.

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" Suomen sodanaikaisten tapahtumien tutkimustulokset kiinnostavat maailmalla. Arnstadin Ruotsissa ilmestyneen kirjan Skyldig till skuld lisäksi nyt myös Die Welt uutisoi Suomen sodanaikaisista tapahtumista:

Finnen verübten mit den Nazis Massenmorde, Nachrichten-Artikel vom 4. November 2009, 14:24 Uhr

Bisher galt: Finnland hatte nichts mit dem Vernichtungsfeldzug der Nazis zu tun, sondern führte an deren Seite einen eigenständigen Krieg, um sowjetisches Unrecht zu rächen und verlorene Gebiete zurückzuholen. Eine Studie zerstört jetzt den Mythos: Finnen und Nazis töteten Tausende Kommunisten und Juden.

Den Artikel können Sie hier lesen:
http://www.welt.de/kultur/article458394 ... dacht.html "

http://agricola.utu.fi/keskustelu/viewt ... f=5&t=2613

[list:3ttd2szy]Chrurch history
Located in Sweden; suffragan to Hamburg (990-1104), to Lund (1104-64), and finally to Upsala (1164-1530). This diocese, the most ancient in Sweden, included the Counties of Skaraborg, Elfsborg, and Vermland. It was founded about 990 at Skara, the capital of the Country of the Goths (Gauthiod). [/list:u:3ttd2szy]

The Swedes, at the time known as The Goths, arrive to present time South-Sweden some time after 800 AD (990-1104 AD). Vermland was at the time located in present time South-Norway. In 1530 AD, Goths controlled present time South-Sweden up to Uppsala. The Viking age is a Swedish-Nationalistic, racistic hoax invented after 1600 AD.
The rune stones, among many other ancient archaeological findings in present time Sweden area, are not of Swedish origin, but Suomi (Finnish) and/or Saami origin. The location of Eden was according to a Swedish (present time name) professor and bishop of Vyborg Petrus Bång (1633 - 1696) Kälkestad in Sweden. His belief derive from EDEN in the English name (Sw)eden. At the time of A.D.A.M., that location was covered by ~4 km thick ice.

The origin of Nazism is prior the time of Adolf Hitler
In the history books it is directly or indirectly said, that Swedes brought "civilization and christianity to pagans, witches, of lower race Suomi, Saami and Russians (Othodox)": War, terror, terrorism, racism and violence in all possible form between 900-1945 is not civilized, have no support in the always valid Law of Covenant/Bible/God, have no support in the teachings by Jesus, and is a crime agaist humanity: Nazism existed prior the time of Adolf Hitler.

Adolf Hitler, who was not Deutschland origin, backed up by the Swedish Racial institutes in Uppsala and racistic sagas like "Vikings, the pure royal race that never have mixed with any other race", fulfilled Martin Luthers racistic wishes, killing ~100 million people worldwide. Jew is in origin Gothic blasphemy of A Man regardless gender, color, religion, nationality, culture etc. At the time of Martin Luther, any man who did not worship Luther, was called a Jew.

Few quotes from Martin Luther's "On the Jews and their lies" 1543.

[list:3ttd2szy] Luther's Introduction:
I had made up my mind to write no more either about the Jews or against them. But since I learned that these miserable and accursed people do not cease to lure to themselves even us, that is, the Christians, I have published this little book, so that I might be found among those who opposed such poisonous activities of the Jews who warned the Christians to be on their guard against them. I would not have believed that a Christian could be duped by the Jews into taking their exile and wretchedness upon himself. However, the devil is the god of the world, and wherever God's word is absent he has an easy task, not only with the weak but also with the strong. May God help us. Amen.

- He did not call them Abraham's children, but a "brood of vipers" [Matt. 3:7]. Oh, that was too insulting for the noble blood and race of Israel, and they declared, "He has a demon' [Matt 11:18]. Our Lord also calls them a "brood of vipers"; furthermore in John 8 [:39,44] he states: "If you were Abraham's children ye would do what Abraham did.... You are of your father the devil. It was intolerable to them to hear that they were not Abraham's but the devil's children, nor can they bear to hear this today.

- Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

- Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.

- ...their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.

- Learn from this, dear Christian, what you are doing if you permit the blind Jews to mislead you. Then the saying will truly apply, "When a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into the pit" [cf. Luke 6:39]. You cannot learn anything from them except how to misunderstand the divine commandments...

- Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

- Moreover, they are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

- However, they have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it.

- But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

- If I had to refute all the other articles of the Jewish faith, I should be obliged to write against them as much and for as long a time as they have used for inventing their lies-- that is, longer than two thousand years.

- ...Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith.

Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

- Alas, it cannot be anything but the terrible wrath of God which permits anyone to sink into such abysmal, devilish, hellish, insane baseness, envy, and arrogance. If I were to avenge myself on the devil himself I should be unable to wish him such evil and misfortune as God's wrath inflicts on the Jews, compelling them to lie and to blaspheme so monstrously, in violation of their own conscience. Anyway, they have their reward for constantly giving God the lie.

- No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.

- ...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!

- Over and above that we let them get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they such the marrow from our bones.

- In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy, the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my conscience.

- Let the government deal with them in this respect, as I have suggested. But whether the government acts or not, let everyone at least be guided by his own conscience and form for himself a definition or image of a Jew.

- However, we must avoid confirming them in their wanton lying, slandering, cursing, and defaming. Nor dare we make ourselves partners in their devilish ranting and raving by shielding and protecting them, by giving them food, drink, and shelter, or by other neighborly acts...

- Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their wanton and conscious blasphemy.

- Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My advice, as I said earlier, is:

- First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also throw in some hellfire...

- Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be converted...

- Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our country...

- Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or tolerate it...

- He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.

- But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name? They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. For our knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it before God.

- If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.

- ...they remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.

- ...that everyone would gladly be rid of them.

- Undoubtedly they do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.

- If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth.

- They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...

- If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.

- My essay, I hope, will furnish a Christian (who in any case has no desire to become a Jew) with enough material not only to defend himself against the blind, venomous Jews, but also to become the foe of the Jews' malice, lying, and cursing, and to understand not only that their belief is false but that they are surely possessed by all devils. May Christ, our dear Lord, convert them mercifully and preserve us steadfastly and immovably in the knowledge of him, which is eternal life. Amen.

Quotes from Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies, 1543[/list:u:3ttd2szy]

I Regi (Reich): GerManic : Goth (war, terror, terrorism, racism, facism, violence in all possible forms) : 100-1530 ruled from Thuringia (Deutschland) controlled by Goths.

II Regi (Reich): GerManic: Martin Luther original name Martin Luder (Redvl Nisraw) (war, terror, terrorism, racism, facism, violence in all possible forms): 1530-1809 After death of Martin Luther, The Second Reich started to fall, and by 1809, the Goths had lost among many other lands Deutschland, Denmark and Finland. Sweden organized terrorist attacs against Deutsch, English, Finnish, French, Italian, Polish and Russian diplomats and other people in high positions in Europe, in order to provoke war in Europe. Nearly 300 diplomats and persons in high positions were killed.

III Regi (Reich): GerManic: Adolf Hitler (war, terror, terrorism, racism, facism, violence in all possible forms) : World War II, Swedes Co-operate prior and during the war with the Nazis. Sweden is the only land in Europe, that compared to other countries, is not hurt by the war.

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