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jussipussi
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Viestejä54638

Pseudohippi kirjoitti:
jussipussi kirjoitti:
Pseudohippi kirjoitti:

Mutta Hei, Trumpilla on oikein kaksi Trump toweria Istanbulissa, ja Erdogan oli aikanaan avajaisiassakin. Siihen verrattuna muutama miljoonaa kurdia ei ole mitään....

Josko Trump tuhoaisi kostoksi Turkin taloutta tuhoamalla Trump Towerit Istanbulissa?

"Trump varoittaa taloudellisesta tuhosta, jos Turkki hyökkää kurdeja vastaan Syyriassa"

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10594724 .

Trump on kutsunut Erdoganin Washingtoniin ensi kuussa.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/trump-erdogan-turkey-visi...

Ehä Vakaa Nero olettaa, että lentolippu Ankarasta USAhan on niin kallis että sen ostaminen tuhoaa Turkin talouden..

Kuvaava lainaus tuosta yllä olevasta NYTin jutusta:

But American and Turkish officials alike describe an unusual partnership in which Mr. Erdogan has repeatedly guided Mr. Trump toward positions that pit him against his own national security advisers and Republicans allies. 

Erdogan vie ja Trump vikisee...

Jenkkien valtio näyttää oleavan Trumpin henkilökohtainen käsikassara.

ekavekara
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Viestejä11526

Pseudohippi kirjoitti:

Miksi pitää "ohjeistaa" jos on syytön?

(Sondland itse oli menossa kuulemiseen ja tullut siksi varta vasten asemapaikaltaan Euroopasta USAhan. Kielto lienee tullut hänelle yhtä yllätyksenä kun muillekin, mutta tekee hänestä toisaalta merkityn miehen joka ainakin pitää saada kuultavaksi)

Ehkä jonkinlainen paniikkirekatio Trumpilta. Sondlandin kuulemistä hän ei kai voi estää, mutta Edusjainhuoneen pitää haastaa tämä. Vapaaehtoisen kuulemisen työnantaja (Trump) voi estää.

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Toope
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Viestejä27135

Ei tuomita, ennen kuin nähdään mihin tilanne johtaa. Lähi-idän tilannehan toki on lähi-itäläisten syytä, heidän se alue tulisi rauhoittaa, ei amerikkalaisten.

Trump on johdonmukainen, kuten sanoin. Hän on puhunut aina siitä, ettei halua amerikkalaisjoukkoja pysyvästi noihin maihin. Tässä asiassa presidentti on vastuussa amerikkalaisille äänestäjille, ei kv. yhteisölle.

On täysin tekopyhää, että sama media, joka vuosien ajan on syytellyt USA:a imperialismista/toisten valtioiden asioihin sekaantumisesta, tuomitsee nyt Trumpia siitä, että toimiikin päinvastoin! Trump ei halua USA:n joukkoja tuonne, sen asian täysin ymmärrän.

"Siirtolaisuuden hyväksyminen kehitysmaista oli pahin virhe, jonka länsimaat tekivät Toisen Maailmansodan jälkeen." - Toope

"Ruotsikin oli pirullinen maa ennen kuin tajusivat tuon monikulttuurin. Peppit ja Lindgrenit ovat niin eilispäivää, pommi-iskut ja jengit ovat sitä monikulttuurista Ruotsia, se on kehitystä." Liian monien mielestä"!"
http://tinyurl.com/jbs6kqp

ekavekara
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Viestejä11526

Toope kirjoitti:
Ei tuomita, ennen kuin nähdään mihin tilanne johtaa. Lähi-idän tilannehan toki on lähi-itäläisten syytä, heidän se alue tulisi rauhoittaa, ei amerikkalaisten.

Trump on johdonmukainen, kuten sanoin. Hän on puhunut aina siitä, ettei halua amerikkalaisjoukkoja pysyvästi noihin maihin. Tässä asiassa presidentti on vastuussa amerikkalaisille äänestäjille, ei kv. yhteisölle.

On täysin tekopyhää, että sama media, joka vuosien ajan on syytellyt USA:a imperialismista/toisten valtioiden asioihin sekaantumisesta, tuomitsee nyt Trumpia siitä, että toimiikin päinvastoin! Trump ei halua USA:n joukkoja tuonne, sen asian täysin ymmärrän.

Samaan hengenvetoon Trump kuitenkin uhkaa Irania sodalla ja sinne kyllä riittää lentotukialuksia. Eikö tuo ole melko tekopyhää puuttua Iranin asioihin, tukea sotiaallisesti Saudeja ja Israelia, ja samalla pettää kurdi-liittolaiset? Trumpilla ei tunnu olevan hajuakaan kv. politiikasta ja sen jatkumosta. Häntä ei kiinnosta kuin oma napa.

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Viestejä596

Toope kirjoitti:
Ei tuomita, ennen kuin nähdään mihin tilanne johtaa. Lähi-idän tilannehan toki on lähi-itäläisten syytä, heidän se alue tulisi rauhoittaa, ei amerikkalaisten.

Trump on johdonmukainen, kuten sanoin. Hän on puhunut aina siitä, ettei halua amerikkalaisjoukkoja pysyvästi noihin maihin. Tässä asiassa presidentti on vastuussa amerikkalaisille äänestäjille, ei kv. yhteisölle.

On täysin tekopyhää, että sama media, joka vuosien ajan on syytellyt USA:a imperialismista/toisten valtioiden asioihin sekaantumisesta, tuomitsee nyt Trumpia siitä, että toimiikin päinvastoin! Trump ei halua USA:n joukkoja tuonne, sen asian täysin ymmärrän.


Trump on siis toiminut johdonmukaisesti ja harkitusti.

Ulkopoliittinen nero. Kurdien kohdalle saattaa tosin tulla kansanmurha, mutta (kuten osuvasti huomautit) Trump on vastuussa äänestäjilleen, Fox:n uutisia katsoville kristityille.

Ja eikös kurdit ole jotain muslimeita?

Pseudohippi
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Viestejä17028

jussipussi kirjoitti:
Pseudohippi kirjoitti:
jussipussi kirjoitti:
Pseudohippi kirjoitti:

Mutta Hei, Trumpilla on oikein kaksi Trump toweria Istanbulissa, ja Erdogan oli aikanaan avajaisiassakin. Siihen verrattuna muutama miljoonaa kurdia ei ole mitään....

Josko Trump tuhoaisi kostoksi Turkin taloutta tuhoamalla Trump Towerit Istanbulissa?

"Trump varoittaa taloudellisesta tuhosta, jos Turkki hyökkää kurdeja vastaan Syyriassa"

https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10594724 .

Trump on kutsunut Erdoganin Washingtoniin ensi kuussa.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/us/politics/trump-erdogan-turkey-visi...

Ehä Vakaa Nero olettaa, että lentolippu Ankarasta USAhan on niin kallis että sen ostaminen tuhoaa Turkin talouden..

Kuvaava lainaus tuosta yllä olevasta NYTin jutusta:

But American and Turkish officials alike describe an unusual partnership in which Mr. Erdogan has repeatedly guided Mr. Trump toward positions that pit him against his own national security advisers and Republicans allies. 

Erdogan vie ja Trump vikisee...

Jenkkien valtio näyttää oleavan Trumpin henkilökohtainen käsikassara.

Mutta kenen käsikassara Trump on?

Sensuuri kärjistää yhteiskunnan polarisaatiota.

ekavekara
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Viestejä11526

Kenraalimoottorit kirjoitti:

Ja eikös kurdit ole jotain muslimeita?

Kurdit ovat etninen ryhmä, hieman kuin persialaiset tai arabit. Uskonnoista vahvin taitaa olla sunnilaisuus, vähemmistö shiialaisia.

Näinon0070
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Viestejä1371

JPI kirjoitti:
ekavekara kirjoitti:
Uskonnollinen oikeistokin alkaa jo yskimään Trumpin toimista

Televangelist says Trump may lose 'mandate of heaven'

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/10/09/pat-robertson-trump-d...

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Ja Nasse..eiku Trumppi setä on hyvin, hyvin vihainen. 😂

Niin, hänhän laati oikein muistokirjoituksen kurdeille 😳

WASHINGTON—Amid backlash for abandoning an ally that has been crucial in the fight against ISIS, President Donald Trump assured the Kurds Wednesday that there will one day be a very nice tree planted in Washington, D.C. commemorating their deaths. “Our Kurdish allies should rest assured that, despite the fact that U.S. troops will no longer provide them with military support, at some point in the future there will be a very good tree with branches, leaves, and bark memorializing their untimely and very brutal demise,” said Trump, promising that even if there wasn’t a plaque or anything denoting that the tree was intended as a tribute to the slaughter of Kurdish fighters and civilians, visitors would probably leave “flowers or little stuffed bears” to let others know that it was a sad tree. “You have my firm commitment that in 30 or 40 years, any tourist who happens to stumble upon the tree in a small park off K Street might think about how you were massacred for a second or two. And even if we forget which tree is actually the Kurd Tree, trust me when I say that it will be there somewhere.” At press time, Trump had given Turkey latitude to launch air strikes on the Kurd Tree if they felt it necessary for their national interest.

Trumpilla ei todellakaan ole inkkareita kanootissa yhtään 👎
Eiköhän Euroopan ole aika ottaa vastuu, mihin tuosta Vietnamin pakollisesta ei todellakaan ole 🧐

Deimos
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Viestejä11257

Haukuin juuri Donald Trump Jr:n ääliöksi sosiaalisessa mediassa. Katsotaan saadaanko kansainvälinen kriisi aikaiseksi.

BW kirjoitti: "The mad man from Tikkurila, who eats (drinks) more than he earns!
Einstein:Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Einstein:The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious.It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science.
Reifengas: Saattaa säilyäkin pimeä markkina jonkin aikaa, mutta ...tuoni vie.Valtion on otettava omansa, huolehdittava omistaan, ja valtio olemme me.

Deimos
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Viestejä11257

ekavekara kirjoitti:
Päivän paras (=hauskin) uutinen! :D

Pohjois-Korean ja Venäjän valtiolliset uutistoimistot aloittavat yhteistyön – tarkoituksena valeuutisten torjuminen

 :D :D :D :D

https://www.is.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000006267475.html

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=D

BW kirjoitti: "The mad man from Tikkurila, who eats (drinks) more than he earns!
Einstein:Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Einstein:The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious.It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science.
Reifengas: Saattaa säilyäkin pimeä markkina jonkin aikaa, mutta ...tuoni vie.Valtion on otettava omansa, huolehdittava omistaan, ja valtio olemme me.

Lyde19
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Viestejä6944

USA siirtää kurdien vankeina olleita isis-terroristeja pois Turkin hyökkäyksen alta. Tässä näkyy asioiden tärkeysjärjestys. Kymmenentuhata kurdi-siviiliä voidaan jättää taistelun keskelle mutta terroristit pitää saada pois.

Shockrates
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Viestejä1813

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whistleblower-complaint-read-full-text-...

The full text of the memo, as described to CBS News:

26 July 2019

The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:

The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals

The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)

The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.

The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.

-Shock-

Shockrates
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Viestejä1813

Shockrates kirjoitti:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whistleblower-complaint-read-full-text-...

The full text of the memo, as described to CBS News:

26 July 2019

The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:

The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals

The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)

The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.

The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.

Jatkuupi tässä:

The President urged Zelenskyy not to fire Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who the President claimed was doing a good job. (Note: Lutsenko has spearheaded various politicized investigations, including on Burisma Holdings and alleged "Ukrainian interference" in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko is widely reviled in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy has pledged to fire him but has been unable to secure approval from the legislature.)

The President stated that he wanted Attorney General William Barr to speak with Zelenskyy as soon as possible. (Note: It was not clear whether this conversation was to be in reference to Crowdstrike or the investigations of the Bidens.)

The President reiterated his concern that Zelenskyy was surrounded by people who were enemies of the President, including "bad oligarchs." 

The President did not raise security assistance. According to the official, Zelenskyy demurred in response to most of the President's requests.

I did not review a transcript or written notes, but the official informed me that they exist.

The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call. The transcript is typically then circulated to key White House officials to be transformed into a formal memorandum that is distributed as an eyes-only document, to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA.

In this case, the official told me that such a transcript had indeed been produced and was being treated very sensitively, in hard copy only. Moreover, several additional senior White House officials listened to the entire phone call in an adjacent room in the Situation Room suite and they presumably took written notes on the call.

The official did not know whether the President was aware that other people were listening and that the call was being transcribed. The official also was not certain whether anyone else was in the Oval Office with the President during the call.

On the Ukrainian side, it is unclear who listened to the call or whether a record was produced.

-Shock-

Shockrates
Seuraa 
Viestejä1813

Shockrates kirjoitti:
Shockrates kirjoitti:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whistleblower-complaint-read-full-text-...

The full text of the memo, as described to CBS News:

26 July 2019

The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:

The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals

The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)

The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.

The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.

Jatkuupi tässä:

The President urged Zelenskyy not to fire Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who the President claimed was doing a good job. (Note: Lutsenko has spearheaded various politicized investigations, including on Burisma Holdings and alleged "Ukrainian interference" in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko is widely reviled in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy has pledged to fire him but has been unable to secure approval from the legislature.)

The President stated that he wanted Attorney General William Barr to speak with Zelenskyy as soon as possible. (Note: It was not clear whether this conversation was to be in reference to Crowdstrike or the investigations of the Bidens.)

The President reiterated his concern that Zelenskyy was surrounded by people who were enemies of the President, including "bad oligarchs." 

The President did not raise security assistance. According to the official, Zelenskyy demurred in response to most of the President's requests.

I did not review a transcript or written notes, but the official informed me that they exist.

The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call. The transcript is typically then circulated to key White House officials to be transformed into a formal memorandum that is distributed as an eyes-only document, to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA.

In this case, the official told me that such a transcript had indeed been produced and was being treated very sensitively, in hard copy only. Moreover, several additional senior White House officials listened to the entire phone call in an adjacent room in the Situation Room suite and they presumably took written notes on the call.

The official did not know whether the President was aware that other people were listening and that the call was being transcribed. The official also was not certain whether anyone else was in the Oval Office with the President during the call.

On the Ukrainian side, it is unclear who listened to the call or whether a record was produced.

Ei siis yhtään mitään ensikäden tietoa! Huomauttaa että transcriptio on tehty! Pyörittelee puolitottuuksia ja tietämättömyyksiä, esim. tiedonantaja ei tiedä sitä että tietääkö Presidentti että jotain on olemassa? <----- mikä todistusarvo tuollaisella kiertoilmaisulla "kusipäisellä maalailulla" on? CBS teki oikein kun uutisoi tämän, pitäisi jo muun media herätä?

Toinen Boldattu asia, "on epäselvää kuka kuunteli", no voin sanoa että IHAN KAIKKI!, Ryssiä myöten!, ja kyllä tallennukset on satavavarmasti olemassa. Jos WH on noin naiivi hommissaan ja kirjoitelmissaan, ei hänen paikkansa ole USA:n hallinnossa. Kuka hemmetti tuollaisen pellen sinne on ottanut?

-Shock-

Shockrates
Seuraa 
Viestejä1813

Shockrates kirjoitti:
Shockrates kirjoitti:
Shockrates kirjoitti:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-whistleblower-complaint-read-full-text-...

The full text of the memo, as described to CBS News:

26 July 2019

The following is a record of a conversation I had this afternoon with a White House official about the telephone call yesterday morning between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. The official who listened to the entirety of the phone call was visibly shaken by what had transpired and seemed keen to inform a trusted colleague within the U.S. national security apparatus about the call. After my call with this official I [redacted] returned to my office, and wrote up my best recollection of what I had heard.

The official described the call as "crazy," "frightening" and "completely lacking in substance related to national security." The official asserted that the President used the call to persuade Ukrainian authorities to investigate his political rivals, chiefly former Vice President Biden and his son, Hunter. The official stated that there was already a conversation underway with White House lawyers about how to handle the discussion because, in the official's view, the President had clearly committed a criminal act by urging a foreign power to investigate a U.S. person for the purposes of advancing his own reelection bid in 2020.

The phone call lasted approximately half an hour. The two leaders spoke through interpreters. My conversation with the official only lasted a few minutes, and as a result, I only received highlights:

The President asserted that "it all started in Ukraine," referring to the allegations of foreign interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election and the subsequent investigation into the Trump campaign's contact with Russian individuals

The President asked Zelenskyy to locate the "Crowdstrike server" and turn it over to the United States, claiming that Crowdstrike is "a Ukrainian company," (Note: This appears to be a reference to the DNC server from which Russian hackers stole data and emails that were subsequently leaked in mid-2016; the DNC hired cyber security firm Crowdstrike to do the forensic analysis, which informed the FBI's investigation. It is not clear what the president was referring to when he claimed Crowdstrike is a Ukrainian company; one of its cofounders was born in Moscow.)

The President told Zelenskyy that he would be sending his personal lawyer, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, to Ukraine soon and requested that Zelenskyy meet with him. Zelenskyy reluctantly agreed that, if Giuliani traveled to Ukraine, he would see him.

The President raised the case of Burisma Holdings, Hunter Biden's role in the company, and former Vice President Biden's role in setting Ukraine policy. The President urged Zelenskyy to [end page 1] investigate the Bidens and stated that Giuliani would discuss this topic further with Zelenskyy during his trip to Kyiv.

Jatkuupi tässä:

The President urged Zelenskyy not to fire Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko, who the President claimed was doing a good job. (Note: Lutsenko has spearheaded various politicized investigations, including on Burisma Holdings and alleged "Ukrainian interference" in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. Lutsenko is widely reviled in Ukraine, and Zelenskyy has pledged to fire him but has been unable to secure approval from the legislature.)

The President stated that he wanted Attorney General William Barr to speak with Zelenskyy as soon as possible. (Note: It was not clear whether this conversation was to be in reference to Crowdstrike or the investigations of the Bidens.)

The President reiterated his concern that Zelenskyy was surrounded by people who were enemies of the President, including "bad oligarchs." 

The President did not raise security assistance. According to the official, Zelenskyy demurred in response to most of the President's requests.

I did not review a transcript or written notes, but the official informed me that they exist.

The standard White House practice for Presidential-level phone calls with world leaders is for the White House Situation Room to produce a word-for-word electronic transcript that memorializes the call. The transcript is typically then circulated to key White House officials to be transformed into a formal memorandum that is distributed as an eyes-only document, to the Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, and Director of the CIA.

In this case, the official told me that such a transcript had indeed been produced and was being treated very sensitively, in hard copy only. Moreover, several additional senior White House officials listened to the entire phone call in an adjacent room in the Situation Room suite and they presumably took written notes on the call.

The official did not know whether the President was aware that other people were listening and that the call was being transcribed. The official also was not certain whether anyone else was in the Oval Office with the President during the call.

On the Ukrainian side, it is unclear who listened to the call or whether a record was produced.

Ei siis yhtään mitään ensikäden tietoa! Huomauttaa että transcriptio on tehty! Pyörittelee puolitottuuksia ja tietämättömyyksiä, esim. tiedonantaja ei tiedä sitä että tietääkö Presidentti että jotain on olemassa? <----- mikä todistusarvo tuollaisella kiertoilmaisulla "kusipäisellä maalailulla" on? CBS teki oikein kun uutisoi tämän, pitäisi jo muun media herätä?

Toinen Boldattu asia, "on epäselvää kuka kuunteli", no voin sanoa että IHAN KAIKKI!, Ryssiä myöten!, ja kyllä tallennukset on satavavarmasti olemassa. Jos WH on noin naiivi hommissaan ja kirjoitelmissaan, ei hänen paikkansa ole USA:n hallinnossa. Kuka hemmetti tuollaisen pellen sinne on ottanut?

Nyt kaikki voivat arvioida litteroinnin ja WH:n valituksen todenperäisyyttä, tääsä vielä aitoon asiakirjaa linkki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_Trump_and_Volodymyr_Zelensky_t...

-Shock-

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